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Another issue and now they're at yet another issue again. are you hearing that? >> yeah, i think one thing that's so important to keep in mind, you were joking earlier about how when you hear the word reconciliation you fall asleep a little bit. a lot of people may not understand the ins and outs of health care policy. it's very complicated to quote someone very important who said that recently. a lot of people may not understand the details of how this works but i think a lot of people, and this is the fear among many of the nonfreedom caucus republican lawmakers is that they hear the word es...

Risk pool. two-thirds or three quarters of americans get that. when my company, comcast, we all buy it. so it's a risk pool. >> and we can create risk pools in the states. if we allow states to manage in this manner -- that's going to necessarily broaden the pool and get at that lower cost of a risk pool. >> other than a mandate or tax credit, how do you incentivize people to join an insurance program? >> you keep things people like. people don't want to be denied for preexisting coverage and you give people choices, your last guest was talking about the essential health benefits coverage. a s...

If states want to choose to mandate that maternity coverage, that's their choice. the point is health care, this kind of health care in florida looks different from this health care in wyoming. states need to be able to make these choices. >> rachel bovard from the hair t -- heritage foundation. >> coming up, i'll speak with illinois democratic congressman mike quigley who sits on the intelligence committee when i get back. higher! higher! parents aren't perfect, but then they make us kraft mac & cheese and everything's good again. you need one of these. you wouldn't put up with an umbrella th...

Give millions of dollars to make sure you get re-elected. >> many of the members are very conservative and come from very conservati conservative districts that'sly win their primaries and elections, they're not so worried about what's going to happen to them, other colleagues can't say the same, not supporting repealing and replacing obamacare would have huge consequences for them. >> of what? >> losing their re-election and i think that's why there are so in eye rollings on capitol hill, if we're talking about essential health care benefits i thought it was fascinating sean spicer was asked ...

Republicans are trying to get removed from the obligations of insurance companies. i just want to draw a picture for my viewers about how this might affect a woman under 40 who would like maternity coverage. if you were to take away the essential health benefits, a woman under 40 compared to a plan who doesn't involve maternity would pay between 25 and 70% more for insurance, maybe $1,000 per more year. what do you make of that, sir? >> ali, this is a crazy process that ty're going through up there right now. i'm getting ready to publish a book entitled "people over politics." if there was eve...