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Impeachment out of the congress, that is the house of representatives. and then, right, by majority, then two-thirds, which is i mean really impractical of the senate. and harken you back since giuliani's talking history, let me briefly, if you remember the clinton impeachment, not one democratic senator voted to impeach bill clinton. so this is about the president driving the narrative, talking about a witch hunt, talking about no collusion, talking about unfairness so the american people can say this is nonsense, let's get by it, and there will be no political will in the dong do anything to...

With any pardons -- >> if people are unfairly prosecuted. >> i want to talk about this with my panel now. joey jackson is a cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney. matt visor is a cnn political analyst and deputy washington bureau chief for "the boston globe." good to see you both. joey, let me begin with you. what did you think of giuliani's remarks? >> giuliani is advising on pardons, the president is giving pardons, and the president we know is his own person. if this is not a signal to all those who are embraced in this investigation -- who are embroiled in this investigation, who...

He's got a great personality. he's a -- you know, funny guy. he's a very smart guy. he's a great negotiator. loves his people. he lofts his country. his -- he loves his country. his country does love him. his people have a great fervor. i think that he even wants to do a great job for north korea. he wants to do what's right. he was really very gracious. i think he trusts me, and i trust him. >> joining me, commentator and senior columnist at "the daily beast" matt lewis, and national security reporter for the "washington post," john hudson. all right, good to see you both. matt, you first. th...

Days ago, but the onus on is on us, the danger is they could fall prey to human traffickers, and i don't think, you know, you can be tough on borders, be for the rule of law, but you also need to be humane and compassionate. america, we have to keep track of these kids certainly. >> matt visor, to you, i want to get your take on this piece talking about the speakconspira theory president and what the president peddled, the theories of his own or suspicion as fact and whether it is working for him politically and if it can in the long-term. john meacham, the historian writes, the diabolical bri...

>> yeah. and, i mean, it was one thing for him to do these types of things as an entertainer and host of the apprentice and he's had a career of doing these sort of things. and during his campaign we saw, it has a different type of tenor when it is coming from the oval office. even this morning, as we're talking about the mueller tweet, you know, which is dishonest, and conspiracy minded and his talk of having a spy in his campaign is not supported by the facts at this point. so he does this and it has a different type of a megaphone coming from the president of the united states. coming from ...