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Fbi, also a former chief of staff to james comey while he was director of the fbi. chuck rosenberg, an analyst and max booth, for national security stud dis and a former foreign policy adviser for mccain, romney, rubio. max, i want did go to you first on this last part of the k.t. mcfarland e-mails where she says if there is a tit for tat escalation trump will have difficulty improving sanctions. your interpretation of that? >> well, i think it's ambiguous. give k.t. benefit of the doubt. you can read it as a confession of guilt realizing that the russians threw the election to trump but readi...

Order. and then this happened. turns out mr. manafort having an article ghost written to appear in the press and to potentially influence folks about what he did or didn't do. so the government did absolutely the thing that it ought to do. you bring it to the court's attention, number one. and you move to set more stringent conditions of release. >> max, to go back to the e-mails, there's -- what is very clear in those e-mails is the trump administration, the trump transition team was interested in having substantive communication with the russians and other governments. having been warned spe...

Connected with trump did. a fast quote here of cnn just recently. at least 12 trump associates had contacts with the russians in the campaign. there were at least 19 face to face interactions with russians or kremlin-linked figures. at least 51 communications. meetings, phone calls, e-mails, et cetera. and how many lies have there been about the meetings and communications? there is no innocent explanation for this, lawrence. there is no innocent explanation. they have not provided one. there's a reason why they're lying and everybody from mike flynn to mcfarland to jeff sessions to kushner an...

At least 51 communications. meetings, phone calls, e-mails, et cetera. and how many lies have there been about the meetings and communications? there is no innocent explanation for this, lawrence. there is no innocent explanation. they have not provided one. there's a reason why they're lying and everybody from mike flynn to mcfarland to jeff sessions to kushner and donald trump jr. and donald trump himself they're all lying trying to cover something up. we don't know the full extent and obvious it's pretty bad and has to be if they're willing going to jail for five years, the penalty for lyin...

With russia which has just thrown usa election to him she wrote. joining us now, chuck rosenberg, former counsel to robert mueller while he was the director of the fbi, also a former chief of staff to james comey while he was director of the fbi. chuck rosenberg, an analyst and max booth, for national security stud dis and a former foreign policy adviser for mccain, romney, rubio. max, i want did go to you first on this last part of the k.t. mcfarland e-mails where she says if there is a tit for tat escalation trump will have difficulty improving sanctions. your interpretation of that? >> well...