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President trump would be perpetually impeached, never having the chance to get an acquittal and of course, that's not what she meant. because a day later, what she said was all she was saying was that she wasn't going to send her army into battle unless she knew what the battlefield looked like. so she wasn't going to name the house managering until she knew the full scope of the senate trial. which sounds logical. but i think as these days turn to weeks, certainly i think you will see some pressure mount on democrats to do what they need to do to tee up this trial. she cannot hold back these ...

>> it clearly has struck a nerve, rachel. >> he's pushing back on this any way he can, first saying michael cohen wouldn't flip, also saying there is nothing for him to flip on or about in terms of turning over two prosecutors, and then you also see some trump allies sort of saying this thing about, well, if he is giving some things up, people could lie to get themselves out of legal jeopardy. you can see the concern rising and you can see they're trying to combat it from every angle they can to try to dissuade what mayor may n or may not happen. >> and the president has been under criminal in...

And then you won't collide with the stories we don't know other people mayor may n or may not b telling. >> that's true. also lawyers say tell the truth but don't volunteer. only answer the questions put before you. don't go on and volunteer things. that's another thing lawyers will say that tends to thwart an investigation sometimes. we'll see. i'm sure all their lawyers are giving them the right advice. i'm sure no one wants to commit perjury and lie under oath. the question sometimes comes down to how skillful is the interrogation. so that's another area where i think mueller and his team a...

How have they continued to get away with it? i should tell you that nbc news has an exclusive story out just tonight about the trump administration and how they have done nothing, how they have taken little, meaningful action since trump has been in office to shore up u.s. defenses against russian hacking, to protect our election's infrastructure in particular, let alone to retaliate in any way against russia depending on how they did in the election last year. how you feel about the trump campaign and its special relationship with russia on this issue, the fact they're doing nothing to preven...

And there is some question to what extent she can talk about that. the initial impression i got was that there was no interest in prosecuting that, that the people who came away from the conversation and the career prosecutors who looked at it didn't think it met the test of the federa law of lying to federal agents, but that's a question that is sort of in the background here, and she mayor may n -- may or may not be able to discuss that today. >> hallie jackson over at the white house. hallie? >> reporter: one of the things we'll be listening to in about six minutes is whether what sally yat...