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The second is the fragmentation. the third is the thermal effect, meaning the fires that get started or somebody becomes injured. they're inside their home or a building and end up succumbing to the inhalation of smoke. this is a very serious, serious -- and i'm going to disagree with some of my colleagues. this is somebody that meets the definition of a depraved sociopath, someone who is looking to target individuals to create fear. we can't define this as terrorism because to bob's point, there's not a political or a social goal yet determined. but make no doubt about it. trying to sow terro...

Days, is make public appeals to this person or persons to reach out to them and explain what their gripe is or why they're doing this. >> well, that may work, anderson. you know, one of the things they're trying for here is that a person with extreme sociopathy is usually an extreme narcissist, and they're doing this to be grandiose, to have the attention, to have everybody knowing what they're doing and seeing -- even if their identity isn't put on the news, at least their activity is, and everybody is learning all about it. and they like that. they like the attention even if it's indirect. s...

They are fully complicit here. they know what has been happening. what i'm suggesting is we target those sanctuaries and take them down once and for all. that has got to be done. we're in a war here. there are american lives at stake here. we have to be decisive about this and stop playing around. we've been putting this on for 16 years and that thing will never end unless we do what i'm suggesting. now, if they want to take them down themselves and coercion i'm suggesting may work, if it doesn't work, then we've got to have the stomach to deal with this thing once and for all. >> eric: what i...