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Talking about it or sharing it is breaking the law just as he, you know, talked about hillary clinton sharing classified information on her e-mails. so if donald trump wants to talk to his kids about decisions, important security decisions he is making, he has to protect himself and have them have security clearance. >> it's an interesting idea. i mean, dana, do you think there's some truth to that, that in free-willing discussions, this protects him in case he says something? >> no question. like i said, i get that. we all have respect for the fact he has such confidence and trust in his adul...

Obviously his most loyal supporters. but, you know, what i'm thinking, as we're discussing this, maybe david, maybe you guys know, what about a spouse? i mean, presumably a spouse is somebody who has, you know, who is a president's closest confidant and maybe sounding board and i don't think that spouses get top clearance. i might be wrong. >> i don't think hillary clinton had top-secret clearance during the first couple of years of bill clinton's administration, and i looked it up only going back to sort of the first couple years so i'm not sure in future years and i'm not sure about michelle...

The -- >> the boeing pilots. >> the weakness of a hack. the reality is the cyber attack idea is still farfetched in this situation. if it was nefarious, it wasn't through computer. >> through someone in the cockpit whether sitting there or entering there. >> there were some instances in this particular case where the faa in 2014 in january of 2014 issued warning about hacking through the firewall of the passenger entertainment system into the cockpit. maybe david knows a bit more about that. >> more software hacking. >> this is software. >> in the old of an aircraft those aircraft that are