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Keep that claim quiet. there is a question whether this tach indicates possible missuggest on the part of the president or mr. cohen. yes, there's been a report that the president waived privilege. that's not been confirmed. if privilege was not waived by the president, then it would seem this tape would have been found to have been privileged by the special mast er concluded that. so there's -- >> right. let me ask you a question that's not legal in nature, but practice in nature. is it possible that the president had such a bad week

Reasons. first, it demonstrates hi cooperation with the federal prosecutors. he is potential facing charges and potentially featsing sentencing, so he wants to lessen charges and sentencing. secondly, he may still entertain the thought that the president might pardon him. it seems unlikely, but to the extent he with poke the president, and show maybe -- perhaps cohen may feel he can motivate to pardon him. is this all noise? is this all business of only the southern district, or do you think there are aspects that relate to mueller's probe? >> that's a great question. this investigation conc...

Actually didn't get that from u.s. intelligence, but that instead he was able to put it together from foreign intelligence agencies that cooperated and from legal process here in the united states. that raises an interesting question. so many internet communications go through the infrastructure set up in the u.s., servers in the u.s., at&t, verizon, aol, or, you know, any number of internet service providers. google, of course, and apple, that it's very possible the gru didn't realize some of these conversations were running through u.s. servers, which ultimately mueller may have been able to...

Mellon, who did a study that between world war ii's end, 81 times in 61 nations we have meddled. what thoughts do you have on that? >> that's certainly true. the united states has interfered particularly through the cold wars in election in italy in the late 1940s. latin america in the '50s and '60s, in japan, we staged a coup in iran in the 1960s, so certainly the question, or interfering in election, the united states does not at all have clean hands. you know, when you go through the perfect weapon, as you were and i were discussing earlier this week, michael, we also don't have clean hands...

Because that would mean he would be because to justice, at least that's your interpretation. given another one. what do we got? smerconish, if the press corps unit unites, the white house will end the press corps briefings. true, but what if more follow jordan's lead at other events, like when you saw acosta and john roberts? what if john roberts in the backyard of chequers said i want to give my colleague at cnn, he used to work here, time to ask another question. smerconish, what does the tape matter? his supporters could see him shoot someone on fifth avenue and still would not abandon him....