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And what we were able to learn is that there is work underneath those statements. it was no accident that she was shaking it. there are different criminal codes that they have looked. the investigation has former federal prosecutors working on this. they don't want to be embarrassed by saying [inaudible] that would be ignored. they want this to be a truly serious thing. >> let me just play a little bit of what you are citing. hear her talking in a language that was lifted from the u.s. criminal code. >> mr. meadows testimony will bear on another fundamental -- before this committee. and that i...

>> mr. meadows testimony will bear on another key question before this committee. did donald trump through action or inaction corruptly seek to obstruct or impede congress' foishl proceedings to county electoral votes? >> we know that for 187 minutes president trump refused to act, and he refused to act when his action was required, it was essential, and it was compelled by his duty, compelled by his oath of office. >> joined by former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst. always welcome here. good to see you, joyce. pretty precise language, the congresswoman used there. how significant are h...

Non-privileged, they are texts that mr. meadows has turned over and they are evidence of president trump's supreme dereliction of duty for 187 minutes and mr. meadows testimony will bear on another fundamental question before this committee and that is whether donald j. trump through action or inaction corruptly sought to obstruct or impede congress' official proceeding to count electoral votes. >> what she's saying there corruptly sought to obstruct or impede an official proceeding, she now repeated that a few times. she's referencing a criminal statute. >> section 1512 don, yes. this is a st...

President trump's supreme dereliction of duty for 187 minutes and mr. meadows testimony will bear on another fundamental question before this committee and that is whether donald j. trump through action or inaction, corruptly sought to obstruct or impede congress' official proceeding to count electoral votes. >> what she's saying there corruptly sought to obstruct or impede an official proceeding, she's now repeated that a few times. she's referencing a criminal statute. >> 19 usc, section 1512, don, yes. this is a statute that the justice department has used or attempted to use with a number ...

Action or inaction, corruptly seek to obstruct or impede congress's official proceedings to count electoral votes? >> all together now. mr. meadows testimony will bear on a key question before this committee. did donald trump direction or inaction, corruptly seek or or impede congress official proceedings to count the electoral votes? says this cheney last night. says liz cheney today. the vice chair has repeatedly asked that question. to make the case for how important it is to talk to mark meadows. she has repeatedly asked that question about the criminal culpability of former president dona...