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Has been discussed at a republican party. >> you would think. right? but what do we hear from both sides? there's rhetoric on both sides that is not helpful in this process. i think as we move forward as a party, we need to recognize that we need to do a better job of explaining why it is that we believe less government is better and more individual responsibility and freedom for the individual is better. and if we do that, we will get the young vote, the women vote, the hispanic vote, the minority vote, you name it. we'll get it if we can explain it. if we continue to use the rhetoric that we...

Successful social welfare states are one where there's this universal pay in. the way we're going with this inequality is talking about means testing, which is a way from a model of universal pay in and benefit. that's sustainable. >> chris hayes, thank you for being here. oneover the coolest things human beings has ever seen celebrates a big birthday. it's sort of a best new moment of geek and it's coming up.

But my guess is those that are at the top -- i'm talking about the leadership in both parties and both sides -- are going to use those constituencies to try to create something that frankly neither side is going to want. >> let's talk about your party for a quick second before i let you get out of here. what does the future of the gop look like? and who is going to be the leader of your party two years, four years from now? who are some of the leaders going to be? >> you know, i think as our party we've got to understand that when we talk about issues and we talk about the things that are impo...

Connie mack is the outgoing representative from florida's 14th district, the four-term republican, lost his seat in november to democratic incumbent bill nelson. congressman mack also of course married to congresswoman mary bono mack. she represents the palm springs area of california. she also lost her bid for re-election. congressman mack joins us from our msnbc exit interview. good sat to you, sir. >> great to be with you. thanks for having me on. >> go ahead. you were about to say? >> i'm not sure i like the "exit interview," but i guess it is what it is, right? >> it is. turn in your card...

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