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Planes, a couple of jet fighters being allegedly brought down by russian missiles which is something the russian authorities have categorically denied. there's been no reaction from russia so far on this latest incident. but again, according to the ukrainian ministry, interior minnistry, that plane was brought down by a buk ground to air missile, and that the -- and the previous three incidents this week, there has been minimal loss of life. two ukrainian jet fighters went down with their pilots who jettis jettisoned. only two pilots out of those three incidents died. others either were saved ...

But an amazing accusation coming out of the ukrainian government today. this adviser to the interior minister saying that a passenger plane flying over ukraine, flying over eastern ukraine heading toward russian air space was shot down by a soviet system, a buk rocket and that about 300 people were killed in that crash when the plane came down near donetsk. hard to know if this was real but there is an accusation out there. and if this really were the -- or this really was the action of russian separatists, it would, well, potentially change the conflict dramatically. would give the ukrainian ...

When you look at this picture, the pilot is sitting in front of his home built a flight simulator, pretty elaborate. they are going to dive into the data contained in this flight similarity to see if he was -- flight simulator to see if that sheds any light on what has happened here. >> one thing that has certainly changed is we're focusing more on the pilot and less on mechanical error. >> the pilot captain shaw with that flight simulator you saw in his home, you also sawç a pilot going through security. >> very routine. >> sure. rumors out there now said to be a fan national cal supporter ...

Pilot takes away the idea of the plane had problems was that we didn't get a mayday. we got no voice communication of distress from the cockpit crew. and we had a beautiful plane. we assume it continued to fly because we have picked up skin paints on the radar. it makes no sense. >> yeah. evy, back to you. if we take mechanical error off the table as tom just did and we're left with hijacking, act of god, pilot suicide, terrorism, which seems the most plausible to you at this point. >> again, i wouldn't take mechanical error right off the bat. my perspective as far as when i've worked investig...

>>. >> so that's great. that was an amazing event? >> i want to thank jackie kelly for inviteing me. >> that's amazing. we should get her on the show. >> she is coming to visit a few times. we will get some great stuff on this show. >> so this guy was asleep. nodded off. he's in a daze? >> that is an interesting angle, too. we will start with detroit. just on that, we will talk about the train derail. . there was a shift change. the guy after working years on one shift was put on a different shift and left at a different time in the morning. it might have played a big role in this. there are s...