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Having said that, joining us now is michael rothfeld the author of that story. i don't mean it has a personal slight to you. >> none taken. >> i feel like i have a gigantic case of the ughs thinking about it. this is the second story that the journal reported related to a similar matter. is this a pattern of behavior you feel like you've discovered an been able to report snout. >> definitely something going on towards the end of the campaign when there were a lot of women coming out and making allegations against donald trump, about inappropriate conduct and assault, and so they were obviously...

Charlottesville, when we think of that, we think of the august display of violence and bigotry and so forth and hatred and repressive of speech and everything else going on there. the month before a lot of the same people got together, the kkk got together in charlottesville the month before and without all that pushing, there were 50 people there, 5-0. not 1,000. i feel like some of his complaints about institutions are that in the media side of things we're giving err to the ill voices in our society. i don't know if that serves well as a society by doing that. >> he also said and this is cl...

Intended to violate laws, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information. >> that may apply whenever that's the rely on personal e-mail, though there are no signs of an fbi investigation of personal e-mail in this trump white house of that's the government side. then there's the media side. which is difficult maybe for the media to face. reporters cover clinton's personal e-mail more than any other issue. a look at clinton and trump's job plans, come paired to trump's treatment of weapon, those little red bars, dwarfed by ...

There, russian money in there, all sorts of american banks in there as well. all of these things are now coming into play, conflict of interest, of course, now that he has a role in the white house. >> he owned the new york observer, a newspaper here in town. that was reasonably successful under him? >> it was a little bit mixed. in full disclosure, i worked with him in that capacity. he really kind of changed that newspaper a lot. he got rid of a longtime editor, and he really wanted to turn it into a money-making venture which it hadn't been previously. >> people like working for him? >> i t...

>> but it does. >> if you take the woman's march yesterday, his thought was why don't i invite 15 of them into the rose garden, we'll discuss points of view. the advice from the security team -- he had the right instinct. as president of the united states is. >> townsend: is very difficu-- t is hard to do that. i was looking at president obama and president trump. you could see compassion in president obama's eyes saying i feel for you with the weight of the responsibility you're going to take. and yesterday i could see in president trump, the glibness is gone. he feels the weight. he is there...