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Host of the ben ferguson show. ben, why do you believe this order is needed? >> i think it is important because pastors should be able to specifically able to speak about religious issues from the pulpit that may deal with politics without worry that someone wilt tl try to come aft them politically and they lose tax exempt status. many pastors, especially on the left, active on issues. supporting obama and supporting $15 minimum wage and supporting planned parenthood. now they have to be concerned. >> what about the johnson amendment? what is the concern? >> the concern is the johnson amendmen...

To be able to be raising money basically, to then go into political work. it was never intended to go against churches. if you look back at the debate when it was passed, churches did not come up. they were specifically concerned about an individual who would set up a non-profit and turn that into a political action group where people could get anonymous money to the group and they could become politically active. no intent to go after pastors or religious organizations. >> christine, you were framed with a crucifixion on one side and american flag on the other. your parents would be happy. >>...

Prosecuted if that is the right word. lost status because of the johnson. >> censure. >> thank you. yes. >> what about the concerns? >> you know what is curious? this is now the trump administration. if there wasn't rampant censureship, why would all of a sudden donald trump's irs go out overly using the johnson amendment when it has never been the case? >> what is it about? >> i think this is really about -- let me add pastors or rabbis or imams can go out and endorse candidates. they can say what they think. they can do it as american individuals. they cannot do it standing from the pulpit a...