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Legislation or political agendas. but truly, what it comes down to is access. that's why a lot of what we think of as lobbying is done by people who aren't registered as lobbying. they don't put most of their time into theal act of lobbying. having the guy who runs the epa as you're raising money for a member of congress is effectively the same thing as lobbying the guy. >> there was a memo put out by the deputy counsel of epa who is a career attorney saying this is fine, it passes muster although it was dated essentially on the day the story broke. what's your reaction to that? >> it was the ...

Lobbying. they don't put most of their time into theal act of lobbying. having the guy who runs the epa as you're raising money for a member of congress is effectively the same thing as lobbying the guy. >> there was a memo put out by the deputy counsel of epa who is a career attorney saying this is fine, it passes muster although it was dated essentially on the day the story broke. what's your reaction to that? >> it was the day after the story broke. so i mean, retroactive ethics is sort of like what does that mean? you don't retroactively deem that a lease from 2017 in march of 2018 was kos...