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Asked about that, listen and i'll ask you to respond. >> we have the not had a chance to ask president obama any questions since the crisis began, there were at least a couple of occasions that could have been open to the press and weren't, can you explain why we have not been able to talk to him. >> we have, like you watched a series of rapidly moving events and you have heard from the president in what happened in egypt, we'll continue to update you as best we can, on what goes on, knowing, quite honestly, some things in foreign policy are -- have to be done away from tv cameras. >> that's t...

More publicly than we have. >> we have done one thing well and that is central to the equation, we have made sure the army does not go for a massive crack down. >> urging that? absolutely and the big difference between iran and -- in the summer of '09 and egypt right now is the fact that iran was not in our sphere of influence and egypt is. and, the kid glove treatment, if you will, restraint of the army and restraint of the police and restraint of hosni mubarak has to do with the fact they are under the gaze of the americans, and, the military does not want to break the bond with the u.s. >> ...

Need proper checks and balances and recalled of law to ensure the first election is not the last. >> are you saying anti-democratic forces should be banned from democratic elections? >> i think they have to do it through a legal and orderly process and this is where the administration can play a role and bring the experience it has from eastern europe and east asia to bear in egypt. we have been waiting for the last ten years and after 9/11 said the arab status quo must change and now it is and it is critical for the u.s. to be involved and make sure it moves in the right direction. >> has the...

We know and is in comfortable retirement but can claim paternity and here's where we are now, one despot fell in '03 and we decapitated him and two in tunisia and egypt fell and there is absolutely a direct connection between what happened in irain 2003 and what is happening today throughout the rest of the arab world. >> thanks for meeting here, more on the crisis in egypt when we come back. the obama administration is backing off its initial support of hosni mubarak but should we help push him out? our panel debates after the break. çñw

As an institution that is crucial to the outcome here? >> well, look, this is a black box of the whole equation, and is the black box, the unknown and the role of the army and the state en egypt belongs to the army, and the state belongs to the army, that pulled off the great revolution in 1962, and, the revolution and era of mubarak and the army will adjudicate the fight and is a dominant... not only politically and militarily, and security, also a huge economic institution. >> you say no government would be -- no transition would be possible and successive government could govern successfull...