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That's -- it was pretty much unemotional, emotionless response. just -- he just said those words. and he looked extremely depressed and sad. >> do you remember the feelings that went through you at that point? >> yeah. i felt -- i felt, really, those same feelings, depression, you know, extremely -- well, shamed and just what a waste. the other feelings were that i wanted to still help him in some way. and i kept telling him, reassuring, that his attorney said that he would get help. and i told jeff that you really do need help, jeff, mental help. and we're going to try to get

Just -- he just said those words. and he looked extremely depressed and sad. >> do you remember the feelings that went through you at that point? >> yeah. i felt -- i felt really -- those same feelings, depression, you know, extremely -- well, shamed and just what a waste. the other feelings were that i wanted to still help him in some way and i kept telling him, reassuring, that his attorney said that he would get help. and i told jeff that you really do need help, jeff, mental help. and we're going to try to get you into this place to get the proper help. >> how did you feel when you first h...