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Prospect of having to vote on these issues. >> biden hasn't talked about social security in months. that came out over the summer, we talked about it a bit and it went away, and now he's trying to revive it in the last minute. any political operative will tell you it can take a month or two to move voters to get message penetration. i'm more surprised he hasn't figured out a good economic message overall because that is what people have said i'm voting on the economy, and right now they're saying they trust republicans more than democrats on this issue. >> but, john, he said yes. >> what else ...

Overall the law has been working and the law has been positive. now here's the issue for democrats. it's not just about messaging. it's message penetration. and republicans do an amazing job at message penetration. and thls why to your point, democrats absolutely, we need to sty on offense because ron and his team are going to be continue to say these things again the law, and they're going to say the exact same things over and over again, and that penetrates k which is why democrats have to have message penetration on the facts. >> all right. so what i've heard from all three of you is the th...