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Booster, which set of data, how do they look. we've discussed this before. scientists make lousy messengers. we're used to people in politics holding on to a politics no matter what the facts are. the facts change and the politician never changes their position. science changes as you learn things. now we're in a situation where he said september 20 rollout. now they'll debate. now there's a mix of minds as to whether or not we need it and that's all fine. but you've got to be good on the messaging side. >> that's -- >> set out a timetable before you know. >> that's hard, chris. that's why it ...

I think that's going to happen here in the united states as well. so if that holds as we get sort of to the end of august into september i'm hopeful we're going to see infection numbers turn more quickly in the vaccinated states because it has more immunity but i'm hoping everywhere in the country we're going to see that. >> one of the more compelling things i see as i'm consuming news in my regular life are the horrific tragedies of deathbed pleas for people to get vaccinated. just on the messaging side or anecdotally in your own life, do you hear those messages from people who were in the ca...

Vaccinated states because it has more immunity but i'm hoping everywhere in the country we're going to see that. >> one of the more compelling things i see as i'm consuming news in my regular life are the horrific tragedies of deathbed pleas for people to get vaccinated. just on the messaging side or anecdotally in your own life, do you hear those messages of people who were the in camp of vaccine skeptics having terrible sicknesses or losing loved ones? is that breaking through? >> i think it is breaking through. and it is actually heart breaking to see those. because i know people love to so...

I think if it ultimately comes out that the president was not personally implicated in colluding or it comes out that robert mueller did not want to indict the president or could not i think this would be full vindication for the president and i think the republicans will say this has been 22 months of a political witch hunt. >> vindication on alleged russian conspiracy. >> yes. >> because he has obstruction evidence up and down the block, but let's start with that. >> sure. >> this is what ken starr and steve scalise are saying in terms of the messaging side. take a look. >> the nation should...

Of bernie sanders last time, the kamala harrises and cory bookers of the world, do they take this as an implicit challenge to them and that they're the candidates going out in the field to wealthy donors. >> the reason kamala harris will have to go after those wealthy donors is they won't have enough grassroots support, at least at this stage. from a messaging side, it's good for warren to do this, but there is a practical side. if she can't get enough grassroots money, can she stay competitive in a field that's going to have some candidates with big outside money, but also some candidates lik...