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It's tying up the courts. it is costing the taxpayers money. there is no there, there. as he well knew when he filed these various opinions and encouraged his clients to do things that he knew were illegal. >> you think he should lose his law license? . >> well, i mean, he could. and probably should. you know that some of the judges that heard the 60 days that were brought to try to overthrow the outcomes were all thraoepb out because there was no there, there. at least one said that the lawyer who brought the case should be sanctioned and that the bar association should look at it. that's goi...

Man. if he loses the election and it's not a forgone conclusion that he will but if he does, he'll face the rest of his life in courtrooms, perhaps in prison. >> the last time we spoke, you felt the founding fathers could never have imagined someone like president trump. do you have faith in their institutions to mete out justice, whatever that may be, however that justice is defined? >> i hope so. the republican party is a terrible disappointment to me. that was always the party of law and order, of the constitution, of patriotism and now with rare exception you see republicans on capitol hil...

Tweet. it's -- it is a horrific thing to witness countryman turning against countryman. >> well, indeed. the irony of a draft dodger talking up war. yes, there have been horrible civil wars. some are ongoing right now around the world and they are utterly horrible and very, very cruel. but trump is very much in the situation of a developing world dictator in that he's got to stay on the throne to stay out of prison or in many cases worse. and trump, he's afraid. he's a frightened, frightened man. if he loses the election and it's not a forgone conclusion that he will but if he does, he'll face...

And i think again we are setting the wrong standard in our culture when we say everything is fine unless you are indicted. comey has been dinged in two i.g. reports and found to violate his employment agreement, he leaked classified information to his attorney. why is all of that not enough for him to be judged poorly by history? why does it take an indictment? he won't be indicted. if that's what people expect they'll be disappointed. i would rather set reasonable expectations. he will go down in history the mete out whatever punishment they want. >> bill: a stain on some leading members of t...

Out. >> julie: what is his strongest defense or does he have one? >> that's just it. i don't want to say it's a joke for his defense attorneys, they have a job to do i get it. to say that he was just a disgruntled employee and part of the defense is what he did wasn't really going to result in death because he knew the pilots would figure it out and the plane wouldn't take out. that's bunk. that does not fly. >> julie: the cell phone videos, isis cell phone videos. it doesn't necessarily directly tie him to this particular incident. it shows he has interest in isis, not that he had the intent ...