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>> we did indeed capture young people using these pills. >> what pills? are you talking about meth amphetamine, lsd, what are you talking about? he didn't have an answer. joining us from tripoli, nic robertson. also with us from berkeley, california, bob baer, co-author of "the company we keep." and ann marie slaughter. you say that the defection of moussa koussa is a big deal, it's actually a success of the coalition strategy. >> and i think it's proof that the strategy is working. the strategy from the beginning has been to isolate gadhafi, to pressure him and convince the people around him ...

What hallucinating pills? >> we did indeed capture young people using these pills -- >> are you talking about meth amphetamine, lsd, what are you talking about? >> i'm not an expert. we are really now dealing with the matter from all sides. let me just -- >> wait, sir, let me just go on. i've got to ask this, because you are basing your entire -- your leader is basing his entire explanation on these hallucin e hallucinating pills. you're saying a small band of terrorists have been able to manufacture, import, distribute large, huge quantities of pills across vast areas hundreds miles apart to ...

>> i'm asking you what pills, what hallucinating pills? >> we did indeed capture young people using these pills -- >> are you talking about meth amphetamine, lsd, what are you talking about? >> i'm not an expert. we are really now dealing with the matter from all sides. let me just -- >> wait, sir, let me just go on. i've got to ask this, because you are basing your entire -- your leader is basing his entire explanation on these hallucinating pills. it seems to defy logic. you're saying a small band of terrorists have been able to manufacture, import, distribute large, huge quantities of hallu...

That the administration is completely disengaged from what's happening to them on the border and citizen hoz live on the border and i've told you this before, it's not just u.s. citizens, but mexican citizens on the mexican sides of the border are crying out for help, too, they feel like prisoners. >> bill: we're not talking anymore about people picking grape fruits or lettuce coming across. >> the that's right. >> bill: we're talking about people coming across with machine guns, guarding loads of meth amphetamine and heroin, that's what we're talking about. >> that's right. >> bill: what's hi...

That the administration is completely disengaged from what's happening to them on the border and citizen hoz live on the border and i've told you this before, it's not just u.s. citizens, but mexican citizens on the mexican sides of the border are crying out for help, too, they feel like prisoners. >> bill: we're not talking anymore about people picking grape fruits or lettuce coming across. >> the that's right. >> bill: we're talking about people coming across with machine guns, guarding loads of meth amphetamine and heroin, that's what we're talking about. >> that's right. >> bill: what's hi...