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Ambiguous for operational reasons or some other cause. or this is the result of russian action. and yet, either deliberate or accidental and yet they are choosing publicly so far to state that ukraine was responsible for this attack on their own territory, john. >> phil black for us louive fors on the ground in lviv. let's get insights from cedric leighton. colonel, great to have you with us. we talked about belgorod in the early days of the war because we were there, watching it a staging ground for forces coming in. this is a freeze frame of this helicopter. from your experience, what is tha...

Minute of this war is brutal, bret. >> and talked about that and the loss of life. and i asked him about the attack today across the border into russia, and whether he ordered that. he would not answer that question specifically, but in the long answer gave, said that that particular base had been firing missiles at ukrainian cities so in a nonanswer saying essentially yes, that he had done that. >> john: there was some thought it might be a false flag operation on the part of the russians to say the ukrainians are being terrible to us, and they are -- >> i did not get that sense at all. >> jo...

Said it was mi-24 helicopter that is game at 5:00 a.m. that came to hit the facility and managed to escape. again the ukrainians are not saying whether or not that's true. the video we see on social media seems to indicate that there were choppers that did hit that place. it would be very difficult for the ukrainians to actually pull that off. as you said i was down there on the ground for a long reporting from the region. belgarad in is one of the most fortified cities in russia. it's a military city. in addition you have a bunch of russian forces in between kharkiv and there pressing the off...

Nations. >> a war no one asked for, this was a country that was invaded so the horror you're seeing on the streets there, inflicted on them. general pitard, we showed the video the russians say is this strike inside russian boundaries, they say it was a ukrainian strike on a fuel depot. do you think it was likely the ukrainians that did this? >> i actually think it was likely the ukrainians that did it, with what looks like two hine aircraft, helicopters, mi-24 attack helicopters, to get there, to evade russian radar and then they attacked. attacked a legitimate target, it's a fuel depot, but ...

Fighting. show you what we are talking about here just northeast of kharkiv, is the russian city of belogorod, and this is where a lot of the invasion into this area in kharkiv and sumy was launched from. about 30 miles from here to here, and the allegation is two mi-24 attack helicopters flew through dense russian anti-aircraft batteries, struck a fuel depot, yn why you do that as opposed to a military target, and then flew back into ukraine. a lot of people are saying they are not buying it, but that it was a false flag attack, and might affect the possibility of peace talks. going on around...