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They were taking a serious look at it. they were investigating. now, the under lying allegations about the specific meetings that christopher steel asserts in the dossier. that alleges that carter page had. that remains an open question. >> did you reach out to steel or did steel reach out to you? >> on the pod cast, which we did today. i laid it out that glen simpson a old friend of mine turned private investigator invited me to a meeting at washington restaurant to meet christopher steel. that's the first time i met him. >> his credentials seemed legitimate? >> i checked him out. he was who ...

that the fbi and the justice department when presenting a case to the fisa court, asking for a warrant to surveil carter page, may not have made it clear or didn't make it clear that they were basing this, at least in part, on the dossier from christopher steele, the former mi-6 guy. >> that's the inference, but likely the four judges needed a whole lot of detail, and this memo pared it down, and that's why critics say it's partisan because nunes just kind of -- the chairman of the house intelligence, devin nunes, just cherry picked certainly details and presented this memo and everyone is ...

Said during the campaign that he thought that the system was rigged against him. i think the russians were listening very carefully to that and maybe after the election if the russians had thought secretary clinton would have won, that donald trump would have criticized and rightly so this dossier paid for on by the dnc with this salacious information as evidence that the system was rigged against him. >> so here is what i'm taking away, that this guy christopher steele would have been known to the russians because of his role with mi-6, the fact that he was doing his surveillance remotely wou...

>> the latter. look, he's a serious guy. he was the mi-6 russia specialist in -- for many years. and we'll have in the forthcoming book some very interesting stories about the role that he played for mi-6. he had this private investigative firm. he was well regarded in the field. he was known as a russia specialist. he had been a source for both the fbi and the state department for many years on matters relating to russia and ukraine. so i checked him out at the time, he was clearly a serious guy. and, yeah, what he had learned, he was seriously concerned about. he thought it was a genuine nat...

Dossier, paid for by the dnc with this salacious information with evidence that the system was rigged in some way against him. >> so here's what i'm taking away, mr. hoffman. that this guy, christopher steele, would have been known to the russians, because of his role with mi-6. the fact that he was doing his surveillance remotely would have ended up on their radar screen. and coupled with the knowledge by the russians that they had cracked the dnc server lends itself to a situation where, as puppeteers, they could sit back and manipulate this whole process. >> right and the last step is what ...