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About rudy guiliani because as you heard earlier, he says he has insurance when asked if he is worried about trump throwing him under the bus. tonight guiliani says he was just being sarcastic. far from being a joke, though, would rudy guiliani have any expectation of loyalty from trump? i mean, look what happened to michael coen and jeff sessions. >> manafort. a lot of people who have worked for trump at a pretty high level, you know, and ended up under the bus. so, no. i think it is very interesting that he is so aggressively backtracking from this insurance line. he said it more than once. ...

Foreign lobbying. the work giuliani was doing. but sources tell us prosecutors are mindful of the difficulties in bringing these types of cases. we've seen two of them just one individual was acquitted in d.c. another case that person was convicted but the judge overturned it. there's reason why this statute hasn't been used many times even though around for years. that's something they're mindful of. if they were to move forward there are a range of other potential crimes they could charge, if there is illegal conduct. another thing they're aware is of the election. an issue. you don't want t...

I did for mr. trump in an effort to protect and promote him. i am ashamed, because i know what mr. trump is. he is a racist. he is a con man. and he is a cheat. >> i mean, i'm just saying. if the president can turn on michael cohen and michael cohen turns on the president what is different, vera, about rudy giuliani? >> right. a crucial difference here. rudy giuliani really, i mean, the narrative he's out there doing trump's dirty work as a fixer there, but really what many people close to the president are telling us, the president may not have realized that giuliani was out there also follow...

More than he was to michael coen or any of the other individuals who found themselves in very sticky situations. donald trump says, oh, well this person didn't really work for me directly or this person stopped working for me a very long time ago. i had no idea they were doing these things. ana, all of this spells to me trouble at the white house. there is a dark cloud hanging over this president. the more and more he finds himself in the corner the more he is going to react in ways we just can't imagine. >> thank you both for being here. >> thanks, ana. >> thanks so much. the house committe...

Into interfering into the american election, when you are involved in trying to potentially cause the firing of an american ambassador, there is a lot of legal trip wires out there. whatever else rudy guiliani was earlier in his career there is a lot of evidence the last year he is no longer as careful a lawyer as he once was. it is no shock he find himself under legal scrutiny even if it does not produce an indictment or charges. >> matt when you look at the president kind of waffling back and forth about rudy guiliani and his past support of allies and people who work for him like michael co...