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Then you bob quickly, before we hear a clip from the president. how can the pakistanis live with this? they get up and they realize we've captured the world's most wanted criminal in their country. and they deny -- it looks like a loss/loss for them either way, michael. >> this is a very complex relationship. the pakistanis have tried to hedge their bets in this part of the world for a long time. they're playing both sides of the deck. right now they're in a very embarrassing situation. the good news is they did try to put a happy face, and insinuate they were somehow involved. hopefully we ca...

Province by the border or tribal area. they were abutting a military academy. this is very bad news. >> do you agree with that, michael, the fact that he's been sitting there, living basically in civilization in a country we targeted as his probable retreat area, going to, his refuge, and there he was. no doubt it's a tremendous embarrassment for the pakistani government and army and intelligence service. there's no excuse. bin laden was quite smart to hide in the open by moving into a suburban town, outside of the mountains, but he made a mistake by having such a large compound with huge wall...

These operatives, in this case u.s. navy s.e.a.l.s are trained both in infiltration, and in clearing the target, be able to clear rooms, take out enemy targets, protect civilians and get out of there quickly and effectively. it was textbook operation. that has always not been the case in the past, chris, so a big victory for the u.s. and for special operations forces. a classic operation done perfectly. >> great, michael. bob behr, do we have a sense of how much they were caught by surprise? were they confronted with gunplay? a shootout from the second they got there? >> no, they came in quiet...