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Of life as they're painted with a broad brush as having opinions. they're jobs are another thing entirely. michael, ty cobb has said in the past few days interviews with people in the white house have come to an end. could that be true? could it lead to call backs? >> it could. ty cobb, he is kind of a character out of movie to begin with. and it is compounded by the fact he is making public statements that have people across washington scratching their heads. not only journalists but also lawyers who are watching the trump legal strategy from afar. to your specific question i think if you par...

They are out to get the facts. and they will make their decisions based on them. so far they've come out with facts that support the criminal indictment of four members of trump's team. and we'll have to see whether they get it closer to the family or the president. but it will be based on fact. >> that is great point to make. it's insulting, in fact, to professionals in so many walks of life as they're painted with a broad brush as having opinions. they're jobs are another thing entirely. michael, ty cobb has said in the past few days interviews with people in the white house have come to an ...

The president's eldest son made his third trip to answer questions about russia's interference in the 2016 election. this time he appeared before the senate intelligence committee. he spent about 9 hours in all answering questions but did not say anything as he exited. for more we are joined here tonight by attorney jill wine banks an msnbc analyst and michael crowley, a senior correspondent for politico. welcome to you both. michael, to you first. how seriously should people take this smear campaign against robert mueller? >> well, extremely seriously. if anything it's been building over time...

Make sure those opinions do not influence their actions. >> "the new york times" reporting this today. "democrats say the pattern is becoming clear. as mr. mueller moves closer to mr. trump's circle republicans trying to discredit law enforcement and undercut the findings of the special counsel. the republican effort may also be intended to blunt the political repercussions should mr. mueller be fired." democrats say. the president's eldest son made his third trip to answer questions about russia's interference in the 2016 election. this time he appeared before the senate intelligence committe...

Well, gee, what positions do they share between a person, lay say, like roadway moore and michael grim in new york. it's probably one thing. they probably pledged to steve bannon that they will be a royal pain to mitch mcconnell and will do anything to oust him. that is the ideological test for steve bannon. there's nothing else. >> i would say in an odd way what steve bannon is doing is actually helping mitch mcconnell. >> yeah. >> because it actually creates a sense of urgency among republicans, even moderate republicans who like maybe the leadership style of both ryan and mcconnell see that...