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The president seems to like that. i don't think anybody should be shocked and think they ought to get back to what was traditionally. you have a president who is the most untraditional and seems to help create that climate. this is just something john kelly or reince priebus or any of these other people created. this climate is created by the president and he likes that or else it wouldn't occur. >> bill, always great to see you. thanks very much. >> take care. a former white house chief of staff and joining me now nbc senior national security analyst michael lighter. you understand security...

>> you put your manhood in a blind trust while you're vice president. teddy roosevelt said speak softly and carry a big stick. donald trump does the opposite. >> let's introduce -- >> as you've seen on the table, michael lighter. always good to see you. >> good to be here. >> quickly on barcelona, what did you see there yesterday? 14 dead there, and thwarted attacks down the coast of spain as well. >> i think what we have is a more sophisticated cell than people think when they see the vehicular attacks. my guess is you probably have some disruption with that explosion. people have been launch...

Police command are dealing with right now. once they tamp down the issues, then they layer on the heavy intelligence, you know, who he is, who are his confederates, like michael and malcolm were talking about. they put the intel guys into overdrive and see what the connections are. like we find in so many of these, the attackers are known to the police. they come up in the police databases before, sometimes they've been interviewed before and sometimes they have criminal arrest records. i wouldn't be surprised to see that here either. this is terrorism in the near term. we keep seeing these ve...

Thank you. joining me now is michael lighter, nbc news national security analyst. when this attack first hit and it's spain, you don't automatically assume isis in spain. they have their own separatist group, the bass terrorists here of the tell me how you guys would be sorting it out in the counterterrorism center when you see spain. you dealt with a spain attack. >> i did. i worked with the spanish significantly. i will say since about 2011ment bas separatist piece has really dropped off and there haven't been any militant attacks. you start thinking about sunni inspired terrorism. until you...

With police intelligence and sharing that with their patrol officers. and they're trying to find these guys. the commanders job is to locate them. one or more. where are they? what are they doing? are they just trying to escape or like malcolm, i talked, and shawn and michael, are they still in attack mode? people say, andrea, we're going to get back to normal. this is the wrong time to go back to normal. where you want to go to is smart. not back to normal. don't go strolling down the next block, this attack may not be over. there may not only be one. i like to say take cover, there could be ...