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Just the drip drip of all the different strategies. i'm expecting 19 different approaches to battling these indictments. and the whole theory of it being campaign related or official related, at the end of the day, they're trying to argue that they have the right to challenge the election which they did have the right to challenge the election, and they actually got relief on that. they had three challenges to the election, but that similar to walking into a bank and, saying i won $11,780. and they tell, you you don't have $11,780. that's fine, you can't turn around and slides videotapes like ...

Is that the strongest argument when michael was just talking about is the president wasn't subject to the hatch act, so if the president tells him to do something that violates the hatch act and because he's not somehow been -- does that mean that he is not responsible for a violation of the hatch act, meaning meadows? that's all circular, it doesn't make sense, and a really does underscore why you should never put a criminal, someone who has been accused of criminal activities like mr. meadows, on the stand undergrowth, especially this early in the case. >> one thing that someone highlighted ...

Some of the rural counties with a vote, speed in here some of this real litigation. that's just the reality. i >> some of these indicted are saying -- i was listening to advice. and the other part is that -- everyone doesn't disagree that they did this stuff. it's on twitter, it's on the news, it's on video, they are just saying it wasn't illegal. >> that's right. because they thought they were moving forward with something that was right. >> we'll see what the jury decides. and if and when that happens it could be long time for now. thank you both for being with us. our two resident georgians...

Know the situation well, michael more, and jeff duncan, the former lieutenant governor, and a key witness in this case. what do you make when you look at this board, this is your home state, you know lot of those faces? >> it's not surprising really at all, and i think they are using this idea of an unindicted coconspirators to put historian for some context on it. also let's look prosecutor reach a little deeper into the hole of the enterprise and pull the noose a little tighter around the group. it's a viable tool, it also helps keep cooperators in witnesses islamic is they recognize if they...

Willis grand jury. michael, does it make sense illegally that mark meadows, because of his position in the federal government at the time would want to be in federal court? >> it's a good motion to make. i don't blame him for making it. basically, there's a removal statute that allows somebody who is charged with a crime in a state court, if they were a federal official involved, federal duty is to ask the case be transferred. there is a limited number of defendants you might see with that opportunity. >> but the former president asked -- if it weren't for mark meadows. >> i expect this from t...