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Talking to michael tessler about how racial at tupds structure public opinion in the obama era. there's a flip side to this. it iesz not just the people who score high on the racial animist test, i think you called racial conservatives in your lit rature. their opinions have a lot to do with whether barack obama is associated with them or not. it works in the other direction. it's the people who score low on the racial resentment or more egalitarian or more inclined to see structural racism. their views on a policy are positively impacted by obama's association. >> right, so when we look, for ...

>> i think one of the things is how quiet obama's been on race tlchlt's a study right now out of pennsylvania's political science department that's tracked barack obama's racial rhetoric compared to previous democratic predecessors. he talks about race substantially less. so it's nothing that barack is doing. >> and rngs again, this is an old issue. the democratic party has been, for the last four years, hasn't won. >> michael from brown university, political scientists, researcher is really fascinating. thanks so much. >> actually, you're going to stick around.

2008 presidential election was never supposed to be about race explicitly. but ultimately, that's how it turned out. the partisan divide between red and blue and the racial divide between black and white. which is why on the night when president obama is elected, one of the firgs things he said is change is coming to america. we see corners of american politics previously untouched by race become racially unpolarized. joining me now is michael tessler who has some amazing data who plays this out. saschaizenberg wrote a tip about this. so what broadly does the data show about the relationship b...

And betty stevenson. dedrick muhammad, and michael tessler, and thank you for joining us on "up" and join me tomorrow when i will have be joined by the national democratic committee careman patrick gaspard. coming up next is melissa harris-perry on today's mhp, polls show that half of americans know little or nothing about the mormon faith, and the mormon faith is having a moment with the romney nomination, and melissa will take a personal and historical and theological look at the church. she has a close connection to the church, and you will learn about that. and do we still believe in ame...

Tessler and sears found something else worth remarking on. quote, president obama continued to be evaluated not just as an african-american, but as someone who is distinctly, quote, other. which brings us to today. >> i love being home in this place where ann and i were raised, where both of us were born. ann was born at henry ford hospital. i was born at harper hospital. no one's ever asked to see my birth certificate, they know this is the place that we were born and raised. >> now, i want to stop here for a moment. this is tough to talk about. this is dangerous, frankly, to talk about. and ...