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In the way we act. maybe one of the reasons that you haven't had the traction you feel you need... well, you definitely need to make a difference, is that you're, again, you're running up against human nature. some psychologists have talked about climate trauma. the kinds of bleak messages that you've delivered to me today have an impact on human beings not to necessarily activate them, to get them out on the streets in the way that you want, but actually to make them almost frozen with fear. well, you could argue it exactly the other way around. if i were to lie to you, if i were to say, "act...

If i were to say, "actually, it's not so bad, yeah, i'm sure it'll be fine, "you know, wejust had to make a few little micro consumerist tweaks here, stop using plastic straws, stop using cotton buds, and then that'll be fine", that would also put people off because people would say, "well, i'm not being spoken to honestly here, and i don't believe that what you're advocating is in any way commensurate with the scale of the problem that you're describing." we have to be straight about this. we have to tell the truth about the greatest existential crisis humanity... i understand you're determin...

You want, but actually to make them almost frozen with fear. well, you could argue it exactly the other way around. if i were to lie to you, if i were to say, "actually, it's not so bad, yeah, i'm sure it'll be fine, "you know, wejust had to make a few little micro consumerist tweaks here, stop using plastic straws, stop using cotton buds, and then that'll be fine", that would also put people off because people would say, "well, i'm not being spoken to honestly here, and i don't believe that what you're advocating is in any way commensurate with the scale of the problem that you're describing....