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>> he ran very much against wall street. we'll see where that goes. the other question is a little more economic, metaphysical but i want to ask you -- >> bring it. >> is there something wrong with someone with incoming power, a federal official, in this case the president, getting into this level of ad hoc casual detail about which companies are going to do what while he oversees a federal government, regulatory approval of deals? is there anything that concerns you about that? or do you buy the argument from trump boosters this is different, we need different. >> what we often have and this ...

Federal government, regulatory approval of deals? is there anything that concerns you about that? or do you buy the argument from trump boosters this is different, we need different. >> what we often have and this is just the way presidents will always be, is that if something good happens in the economy, the president will take credit for. i don't care who he or she is. >> sure. >> we're seeing a level of micro management and tweet shaming china around trade and all carrier play. that's not a systemic approach to the kinds of manufacturing job promises that donald trump made. and the kinds of...

When they needed the truth. >> do you think that is true, kevin, because there is such a problem with people not reporting or testifying, not coming to police when they have witnessed a crime, do you think this kind of adds to that suspicion of police, the dislike of police that has ramifications? >> absolutely, why come to your house if i'm going to be treated badly? and i agree with that. you know, the issue with stop in question, or stop-and-frisk now as it is referred to, it is -- numbers driven now the way the micro-management of these numbers have taken over. so where you needed to have ...

Micro-management of these numbers have taken over. so where you needed to have an accountability, whether the cops had the right summons, in an area that was not prone to violations, they were still asked to stop and ask questions. it was almost as if there was a notification, i didn't have to pat you down or frisk you. >> so the nature has changed -- >> absolutely, back in the '80s and '90s when we would do a 250, the uf-250 is what the form was in the police department. you would just write a description, sometimes they didn't want to tell you a name. you just wrote a description of the clot...

>> if you want to pass the roberts test as constitutional you have to call at it tax. in the legislation. >> bret: yeah. so white house press secretary jay carney asked about this numerous times, numerous ways in the press gaggle today. he said in one response about this, calling at it tax. you can call it what you want. he said it's a penalty. not a tax. is this a problem for them, john? >> i hope so. penalties, taxes, it's 2400 pages of micro management. it's a bad thing. it takes our freedom and our money. i hope it's a problem. >> it's not a problem. c'mon. even mitt romney in romney care ...