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Manafort should face. next up will be the man himself. and ken, i think we're having a microphone issue. bob, let me go to you. three years ago we were running around the republican national convention chasing after paul manafort who was running the delegate operation for president trump and his campaign. now he is in a suit and wheelchair sitting in front of a federal judge. >> i always think about that. paul manafort, rick gates, they were the kings of cleveland during the republican national convention. we were following them around, covering their decisions as they worked with then candida...

Making difference. >> i think it's all about small steps. and this is one of the ways we can start instead of trying to take it all on once. you have this organization -- they've already got 30 billion committed through 2030 and that's just the start. does that's real money from real governments and countries. i think joining up with something like this that's so organized, it's a good way to start. >> i'm looking forward to seeing you guys out there. nice to meet both of you and have a great show. i'm going to throw it back to savannah sellers who is out there someone. savannah. >> water stat...

[ inaudible ] forgive me sir -- we were having a microphone issue. forgive me. please start over. what does living as a free man feel like? >> it will take me a little time to get used to it but i have to pinch myself from time to time and remind myself. >> i apologize for interrupting. i want to make sure this is crystal clear. i know a lot of people want to hear from you sir. should we go to break and come back to fix this guys? yes. we'll be right back.

Like the rest of us. their police are uneven. their intelligence services is certainly much better. there is going to be another wave of questioning which is where did this cell come from? was it already in kenya? did it come over the border? and were there signs missed leading up to this attack? >> thank you all very much. want to get back to ron allen. ron, i know we have cleared up the microphone issue. tell us the situation now. are there still hostages inside that mall? >> we honestly don't know. the government is claiming that they are in control. there has been no sometimes gunfire spil...