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Security apparatus, what we see as the role of secrecy and privacy. let me point to the setup of this. what was missing from the obama excerpt is that he did say that the work of international law needed to be carried out, that we -- you know, we don't know what the cia is doing behind closed doors, what our diplomats are doing in mid-level, high-level negotiations with our counterparts in other countries. that work needs to get done. the moment it ruins america's prestige is when the president has to come out and, you know, the chief executive, the leader of the free world, talk to his counte...

Shameful on the national security apparatus for allowing this to happen. >> i think there are thousands of men and women, loyal, patriotic americans working very hard for our national security within the national security agency, within the cia, all these other agencies, but i do think that brooke points makes a smart point here about, this is a pivotal point in our history where we're being compelled to a new era of transparency. if there's any silver lining at all to this snowden case, we need to reimagine our national security apparatus, what we see as the role of secrecy and privacy. let m...

Was doing to try to figure out who their mole was and deal with them appropriately. which not only has consequences in terms of that person's and their family's lives, but also in terms of future information that would be, you know, accurate information that we could get from the north korean government. in that particular instance, you know, to me, there is a logical case to be made that this was an for breach of national security. >> i guess -- i guess one thing that bothers me is you -- have you what you had here with north korea is the government can assert -- horrible violation of nationa...

Uses of the irs for political ends that we've seen from other presidencies? >> well, first of all, no one should be surprised as you laid out. administrations have been doing this for many, many years, both republican and democratic administrations, but not all cases are the same. in the case of the richard nixon administration, it was the president himself, it was proven no, doubt about it. it was the president himself who said go after these people on their taxes. >> he's on tape saying that. >> he's on tape saying that. that's a far cry from where we are today. there is no proof that anybod...

That there will be a free, fair, and credible election in venezuela. they understand, of course, that ma dduro is the front-runner. and they say they're open to what one senior administration official called to me a more constructive relationship with the venezuelan government. they believe it is, quote, counterproductive to be at odds. and that's why this expulsion of these military attaches was not welcome news by the administration, wolf. >> did they say anything about whether or not the u.s. will send a high-level, mid-level, low-level representative to the expected state funeral of hugo c...