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He said that, you know, a liquid was poured on him. what was that? there just didn't seem to be enough outrage from him right after it happened in terms of letting us know what the facts are. >> i see it this way. look, the bottom line is when things happen, number one, we live in a very visual society. >> exactly. >> and generally when we're having a conversation, don, midwin, there's a videotape. we're analyzing it, dissecting it. that was not the case here. the surveillance was absent. then you go to the facts and you say, could it have happened? then you get to the fact that it's 2:00 in t...

According to mark geragos, i just spoke to before air, he was not indicted by the grand jury. he's facing a felony complaint. a felony complaint means they swear out a complaint factually saying -- so it is weeds. the significance is he's charged with a felony offense, which is a class four, one to three years in jail. >> this is serious. >> and a fine possibly of up to $25,000. that's also important to say. so it's not just the fact that he's looking at jail time, which i don't think he'll get with a case like this. i really don't. >> why not? >> i assume it's his first offense. it's a low-le...

Up until today that jussie smollett was a victim. they were looking at him as a victim. now, what they did outside of me, i don't know. but my experience with them during this case is that everything was above board. they only gave me the facts about what's happening. they didn't say, don, off the record, i'm thinking this. that never happened. >> good. >> as it relates to -- >> as it relates to this case, and maybe because it's me, they did that. >> to you. but just almost every other day, there was a news story and it seemed to be coming from -- and i could be wrong, but a lot of those artic...

That they helped. >> right. and to what extent? >> yeah. >> we need to know. >> is he legitimate? >> we need to know. >> midwin charles. >> that is the question. >> thank you. thank you all. it's a pleasure having you. come back. >> absolutely. >> these guys are always here. we're going to dig a lot deeper into a meeting between paul manafort and konstantin kilimnik that's gotten robert mueller's tension. the details are pretty incredible. picture a smoky cigar bar and possible coded messages.

Saudi arabia and the emirates and other places. but there's over 100 contacts between the trump campaign and the russians, and you've already had four trump campaign officials who have been convicted of lying aut those contacts, not only manafort but also flynn, cohen, and papadopoulos. don't tell me that they're doing it just because, you know, it's inconvenient to tell the truth. there has to be a real reason why they're trying to hide what actually went on. >> exactly. i mean this -- >> let me say this. if you're making money from russia and you don't want people to know about it, the judgm...