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Would want to add one more verb orapr or predicate to your piece in addition to confuse and distract and that's delegitimize. there's a sense that the object of this confusion is to delegitimize the process all sergeant to no matter what the conclusions of the investigation may be, he's mobilized public sentiment. that 30 plus percent to not concede the legitimacy of whatever conclusion is drawn about trump. >> i think, mika, i may have made a mistake last week when i wrote in the "washington post" column about rudy and suggesting that somehow what he's been saying over the past week was somet...

Loquaciousness, one person familiar with the matter said -- yes? >> mika, he's very smart. where did he go? he went to bucknell, i think in. >> no, fordham, good school. >> he fordham, a really good school. and this goes back to again, the fact that donald trump again everybody around trump is scared of robert mueller. and they think that robert mueller is too smart for donald trump. they think that robert ruler will run circles around him. because mueller is a st. paul's man and went to printston. they don't think trump can keep up with him. at the end of the day i guarantee you that the supr...

Amendment, do you think hurt him among his core constituency? >> well first of all, because they heard him say that only the mob takes the fifth amendment. but also for donald trump the secret has always been strength. you have to appear strong. appear stronger than you are. going back to what bill clinton told the democrats in the 1990s, better to be strong and wrong than weak and right. so taking the fifth would make donald trump appear to be extraordinarily weak and also a hypocrite in a way that could show again you show the clips from the convention all the clips of him saying you only ta...

Finland, from italy, from ireland. america, the idea of america, and i don't think there has ever been, i would defer to mr. meachum on this, a greater juxtaposition in proof of the strength of the american idea. than franklin delano roosevelt being followed by harry s. truman, a has beenerdasher from missouri. a man who very few people knew, and very pew few people knew the content of the man when he assumed the presidency and look what turned out. look at the gift he was to america. taking the first steps to integrate the united states military. taking the initial steps to protect and defend...

Security, sorry, 700 mile border fence. >> right. >> tens of thousands of new border patrol agents, and it still couldn't get through the house of representatives. so this idea now all of a sudden congress is going to be able to tackle without rancor and disagreement a new immigration reform bill just to me seems like a legislative fantasy. i don't see how it could happen. you count adough it with a democratic controled senate and not with a republican controled senate and republican party that is animated by anti-immigration sentiment right now. >> mika, i don't understand, and i haven't unde...