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>> yeah, testing positive, there is a big fork in the road. are you symptomatic? are you coughing? do you have a soar throat? you have the headache that seems to come with omicron? really you have got to get away -- be away from folks so you don't spread it. you have got to take care of yourself. contact your primary care prior. if you are at high risk there are therapies out there, new therapies emerging for covid, and you have just got to make sure you do whatever you can to prevent the spread of this. if you are asymptom addic, you test positive because you were exposed or maybe you had a s...

Is that we live in a glass house right now. it's not just sony. sony is good at defenses. sony has invested in this. they have seen attacks before. the rest of the u.s. corporations have the same vulnerabilities that sony does. we can't just look at the private sector. it's going to have to rearchitect. the government has to be involved in defending. then we will have the option of being more offensive. i think until we set up the defenses, being offensive is going to be very challenging. >> should we be engaging in cyber warfare ethically? >> well, i don't think there's an ethical issue here....

Cyber warfare business? >> we already are. but the real challenge we have in terms of using cyber offense is that we live in a glass house right now. it's not just sony. sony is good at defenses. sony has invested in this. they have seen attacks before. the rest of the u.s. corporations have the same vulnerabilities that sony does. we can't just look at the private sector. it's going to have to rearchitect. the government has to be involved in defending. then we will have the option of being more offensive. i think until we set up the defenses, being offensive is going to be very challenging. ...

Obviously, as mike points out, there is a lot less -- there is more we don't know than we do know about their actions here. but based on the information we have, the answer to that is yes. i think mike makes a politically important point. politically for chris christie, chris, which is they really don't want bridget kelly -- they don't want to be -- no one wants to beat her up too much in christie world politically speaking because they don't want a story in which she is sort of looking out for bridget kelly, not chris christie. those two things may not be different, but if they are, you do no...

Development there, something to do with money, something to do with election politics. but the idea that she would just on a dime come up with this idea of screwing the guy with this traffic for a month is what the plan was, four weeks of this, all entirely on her own meant somebody gave her tremendous authority in the name of the governor. the governor, somehow she could speak in the name of the governor. and the question is was the governor involved in any way of shaping the battlefield for this fight with this mayor. >> so the question i've always had and i think you guys hit on it, the cen...