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Phones, electricity is pretty sparse. we need to do more reporting and figure out what intentions are real quickly. there's a group going around. some of them want to try to make a crossing at the border tomorrow morning at 5:00 a.m. aaron? >> hans, i think you make a good point that begs the question whether this new policy might deter migrants from actually trying to cross the border. is this really just something that gets ignored? >> well, we don't know the answer to that. what it would do is it would deter individuals from making those formal claims at points of entry, right, and it's the...

Were protected by those court orders. daca is probably going to go away so democrats are in a position where they will have about 300 some -- about 700,000 people in a position where they will need some sort of status and the democrats will be willing to trade some border funding. we don't need a wall along the 1900 mile border. i don't think the president wants that either. mexico is the biggest producer of heroin, biggest producer of methamphetamines in the united states, they are coming over the border in addition to 600,000 people this year so this is a situation where we need some sort of...

Blood in the system. ultimately do you think in november this election people should be thinking about issues first or values and this -- the civil issue? where does it weigh on you. >> for me it is about what kind of country do i want to be in. do i want to be in a country where people are welcome, where we can talk about our ideas without screaming at each other and disagree but be agreeable. all of the things i was taught growing up, we're not holding our leaders to the same standards we hold kindergartners to and that is appalling. i don't have my own children but i have nieces and nephews...

Altogether. but there is much work that has been done, we've made good progress. we've seen some of the benefits. one key indicator has shown that the illegal traffic across the border went up last year -- >> but -- that was after a number of years, though, in which it fell. obviously, people argue about why. maria, i want to go to you on this, as well. and in particular, a question i wanted to ask about it, this sort of out-put based measures that we still do have people crossing in the 1900 mile border. there is no city in the country that is perfectly safe. there is a real penchant on how y...

Number of years, though, in which it fell. obviously, people argue about why. maria, i want to go to you on this, as well. and in particular, a question i wanted to ask about it, this sort of out-put based measures that we still do have people crossing in the 1900 mile border. there is no city in the country that is perfectly safe. there is a real penchant on how you're just spending money for very diminishing returns. >> the obama administration has done more than any other prior administration. our border today, we are spending over $18 billion just last year alone in the interior and in the...