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Happening right now with these nato summits to see if something will happen that will really help tip the scales in they favor. they're watching two very key military developments that have happened that are really getting a lot of people throughout this country a bit of hope. the first happening off in the sea of azov. that's where the ukraine navy says that they have managed to destroy a russian ship that was docked at the port. while there's not any independent verification of this development, videos and pictures show a massive fire followed by multiple explosions. to the north in kyiv, we...

>> also let me get your take again, putting your intelligence cap back on. this is the ukrainian defense intelligence chief speaking on sunday. there's reason to believe he, meaning putin, is considering a korean scenario for ukraine. that is russian forces will try to impose a dividing line between the unoccupied and occupied regions of the country. it's an attempt to create north and south korea in ukraine. do you see that? it's hard to follow 33 days in, the day-to-day military developments and see a coherent russian strategy. do you see as a potential fallback, creating the koreas of today...

Extent. they have pushed them back no question. by several hundred yards, more than that in some areas, in kyiv. but whether they just pushed them back to a point where you rightly say, just will stand regroup for a while, dig into defensive positions, get resupplies and relaunch another assault that is open to question. i have to say, most of the analysts think it is the former, that russians to some extent in capital of kyiv in some form of retreat. we'll see how that plays out. joining us now live with the latest military developments, former u.s. army special op intelligence officer brett....

Clearly, we do a heck of a lot of business with them on the economic front, we have historically had a lot of military cootion or engagement at least with them as well. that has broken off in the wake of -- wake of some arm sales we made with taiwan last year, and so our military engagement is not what we would like it to be, however, the door is wide open and we keep asking for more military to military engagement so we can better understand what it is we are both trying to do with our military developments that are going on in both countries. jenna: and what are we trying to do? >> what is w...