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Pressure from the pentagon, the generals and admirals and i'm glad he is backing down. those before eddie gallagher and those who will come after eddie gallagher may not have presidential interference or pardon. it should just be let it run its case through the military. is my belief. >> you know the s.e.a.l., this community, what does this sort of back and forth and this battle do for morale and for the thinking there within the men and women that make up the s.e.a.l.? >> the back and forth is terrible for the morale. you know, at one time if you get acquitted and get let off and it comes bac...

With, from people i know in the special operations community, in the infantry and elsewhere saying thank god, thank god we have a commander in chief who looks past all of the noise and the bureaucracy, all the rank, you've got generals coming in and saying we've got a military process, you can't do this, mr. president. he looks at the evidence and says if i'm going to send these guys into harm's way, they have to believe we'll have their back afterwards. that's what i believe compelled him to make this case. if you look at a statement -- at 6:30 last night, these pardons were announced, full p...

You, who is the president talking to when he's making these decisions. colonel, again, the military's role and the military advising him, it sounds like he was listening and then listening to lawyers and then going back and forth. is this disruptive to the military process? >> as part of the military process, we actually do have lawyers that look at things like collateral damage and what's legal to do in a case like this. is it a violation, for example, of the laws of armed conflict if we did a certain thing. so that's one of the questions that always comes up when we are contemplating militar...

Here we have a president inserting himself in a much graver situation. >> the clean old days of the beer summit. i remember it fondly. look, i think this is a difficult case to hear about. because he's obviously somebody who has been served in the military. but there are rules of engagement for a reason. there's a military investigation for a reason. it was going through that process. so when the president of the united states, the commander-in-chief, inserts himself, he's really undercutting his own military. and that's how we should view this -- no doubt, a difficult case to look at. and i t...

To you, jill? >> first of all, j.a.g. officers for all the services have full-time jobs. they are busy lawyers. so taking them for this means that they are not going to be representing soldiers and sailors who need their representation. and so that's a problem. they are very skilled and gifted lawyers. i have a high degree of respect for them. they are quick studies because in the military process, they are quickly rotated from one thing to another, so they learn how to learn a new area of law fast. i'm not worried that they won't understand immigration law. i'm worried that they will only be ...