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They don't have weapons. there's like one weapon for 20 guys. they are just putting them on the front. there is a lot of chaos. they think they understand, but they are so far from the actual reality of what ground combat is, it is fatal to some of these guys. a lot of them, as soon as there's a few bombs falling, they're leaving. >> joining me is anchor of big picture with sara sidner on cnn plus, what an interesting discussion. it's not anyone doubts the motivation of people going to help. >> absolutely. >> it's just the effectiveness of everyone. >> that's right. and we -- actually, i mysel...

Defendants. we have a cooperator who is right there in the heart of the case. the fbi director has been quite clear about this. there are different tiers in this federal investigation. one tier includes all the people unlawfully in the building who didn't hurt anybody or assault anyone. the other tier, those who were violent, those who conspired, those who were equipped. the feds say the oath keepers didn't just show up january 6th. they conspired and planned, came with military gear, came with encrypted signal communications, formed a military stack to breach the capitol. one of those people ...

You hurt anybody or salt anyone. another tier is those who are violent, those who are conspiring and those who are equipped. and they conspired and came with military gear. they came with encrypted signal communications. they formed a military stack to reach the capital. one of those people is now cooperating with the feds. >> who is running this? is this just a local district d.c. frontline assistant u.s. attorney coordinating all this? >> it's a little bit of both. yes this is all coming through the washington d.c. federal courthouse which not coincidentally is right there on capitol hill bu...

This is the second accused oath keeper to plead guilty. there are high octane, graydon young of florida faces an assault charge and conspiracy charge accused of using encrypted communication bringing gear as you see in that image and using a military stack to breach the capitol line as you're seeing here. graydon line appears later this afternoon and does he agree to cooperate with investigators and does he get witness protection as the first oathkeeper to plead guilty, john schaeffer of indiana did. >> scott mcfarland all over that issue. thanks so much to both you and pete and the surge stra...

January 6 case investigations and prosecutions. we'll get a guilty plea acourting to the court docket at 2:00 p.m. eastern time from graden young of florida, the second of 16 charged oathkeepers to plead guilty. there have been by my count by my tally about 1% of january 6th prosecutions that have gone to a plea agreement. the cases are in their infancy but there's two tiers the two oathkeepers who pleaded guilty and everybody else. the oathkeepers are accused of conspireing, assault, bringing encrypted communication, military gear, using a military stack to breach the police line. this is the...