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Figured out, but these seem like they were just handed to the "the new york times" to get roger stone in more trouble. >> i think so. and also stone today he tried to scoop "the times" by putting them out minutes before himself. >> that was the donald trump, jr. strategy when his e-mails were under suspicion. >> but i think you're quite right, we haven't figured out what we mean when we talk about stolen e-mails in the media. >> at a min fm calling them stolen is big improvement over hacked when they're actually stolen. joyce vance, what are you reading in these e-mails? what do you think the ...

Chairman. joining our discussion now dahlia, senior editor and legal correspondent for slate.com. also joining us is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama and also an msnbc legal contributor. dahlia, as i say the whole stolen e-mail question is something the media has never figured out, but these seem like they were just handed to the "the new york times" to get roger stone in more trouble. >> i think so. and also stone today he tried to scoop "the times" by putting them out minutes before himself. >> that was the donald trump, jr. strategy when his e-mails wer...

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