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And the documents that came out last week. there was no obligation to inform general flynn of his right to have a lawyer and to inform him that lying to the fbi was a crime. he was not there against his will. the miranda warning only comes into place after you are arrested. >> martha: let me stop you there for one second. the comparisons made to the hillary clinton investigation are used to decide whether or not there was any political motivation. she was not under arrest but he had 3 lawyers? >> because she and a lawyer. why were fbi agents wandering freely around the west wing. they can't ge...

To have a law enforcement background to know you shouldn't lie to federal agents. >> it's a given in many instances. i did thousands of these interviews and i don't remember once having to remind somebody of that notion. there's a difference between this and a miranda warning which you do after someone's arrested. what's peculiar to me is while michael flynn had an easy rappaport with a loot of guys in the fbi itself, including me, i worked with him at o.d.i. and d.o.a. he indicate in the documents, in the interview, he knows why he's being interviewed and he probably knows the answers as well...

Fbi. >> yeah. it was a very odd kind of episode. flynn, who's been an exemplary man all of a sudden had this last-minute hiccup and a suggestion which was seconded by many on the right that it wasn't a crime at all and he should have had warnings. it's really a weak argument as mueller lays out. it would have been neither required or customary to give warnings to a guy like this. as mueller says, you know you're not supposed to lie to the fbi. many people when i was in the department of justice had occasion to have some interviews with the fbi. they don't start it out with this sort of miranda...

Experience know it's actually illegal illegal to lie to the fbi? it almost seems like you don't have to have a law enforcement background to know you shouldn't lie to federal agents. >> i was thinking about this as i read through the documents today and i did thousands of these kind of interviews and i don't ever remember once having to remind somebody of that notion. you know, there's a difference between this as well and a miranda warning, which you do after someone's been arrested. but, you know, the other part of this interview process that is peculiar to me is while they had -- while mike...

Targets, public people and politicians, just be careful. you should be careful going forward. it should be a lesson to you. luckily we are glad this guy is better at leaving evidence than at making bombs. he's left a giant trail for investigators to follow. >> our investigators clearly are really good at this. >> the investigators are great. when you make a bomb, you get a,0a thousand federal agents plus detectives. this guy is not a sophisticated criminal and not a sophisticated bomb maker. he have going to get caught. he's probably going to get convicted because there's so much evidence. jus...