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His oath -- >> david, let me interrupt. should he be stripped of his citizensh citizenship were before convicted, even while standing trial? >> i think he should be stripped of his citizenship, once convicted. but beyond that, i think the country -- and this was a good case for us, because the guy was seen before the miranda rights were applied. but what if we get the next guy who isn't cooperative and then we read him his miranda rights and we really don't understand what's going on? in that situation, i think the u.s. government ought to have a lot of latitude before it applies to miranda ri...

The health care bill. whereas, i don't see any significant negative, i think it's likely -- >> the only one negative that could be, david, is the debate on the mirandizing this guy could continue and there will be questions raised about whether we should have mirandized him, whether we did it too soon, you know, all those questions come back that were asked with abdulmutallab, for example, at christmas. >> david, faisal shahzad is a naturalized u.s. citizen. and joe lieberman, the democratic -- independent democratic senator from connecticut, as he likes to call himself, said this yesterday, a...

A terrorist act." the criticism of lieberman is that he's convicting naturalized american citizens before the court actually convicts someone. when you're just charged, you're supposedly innocent until proven guilty. >> wolf, i thought in reading that, he was applying it to all citizens, in effect, and trying to enlarge the law that's on the books now, that if you join a foreign army, you're stripped of your american citizenship, in order to make it easier to avoid the mirandaization of suspects. but i'm sure i'm in league with a lot of other americans. this fella, shahzad, took the oath to be...

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Taibbi, who was in the courtroom with the suspect, james holmes, and nbc's chris jansing. can you describe the scene in the courtroom from outside looking in, his affect was so strange, he looked dazed. what was it like close up? >> reporter: yeah, it really was. when i was in the courtroom in the jared loughner case in arizona, he engaged with people, he looked at people, he looked angrily at some of us in the media. in this instance, everybody was looking toward the door when he came in. he shuffled in, manhandcuffed hs and ankles. he wasn't engaging with his two public defenders. he didn't ...