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Around the world with europe responding with sanctions and pledges of military aid. jon: we had a guest, matthew schumaker who once worked at the u.s. intelligence agency. he says the west is misinterpreting putin's comment. he says putin is feeling boxes into a corn and he might respond with nuclear weapons if pushed too hard. is anyone talking about that kind of thinking at the pentagon? >> it's a good question exactly what those comments mean, whether it's deploying tactical nuclear weapons. but there is also the idea perhaps onthat what we are see -- perhaps, jon, by trying

Yes, putin wanted this to go faster. his military is probably pressures him to let them take the gloves off, they have incurred quite a few kia members who have been killed. they are somewhat restrained in what they have used against the ukrainian population, i think there is frustration on putin's part and probably a little bit of surprise at europe's reaction. >> joel. vladimir putin hopes to fracture nato, seems he is now confronting a more united nato, do you agree? what do you make of nato's reaction? >> jon, great to be with you. this reaction is one of clear outrage. by nato. outrage of...