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What does this tell you about how intention the north korean side of the equation is? >> two things, chris. first, i think this is another attempt to perfect the missile capability targeted on u.s. bases in korea and japan based on the type of missile. secondly, this is north korea's way of giving the finger to the united states and china before the big meeting this week and to say they don't really care what the united states or china is going to do. as will said, they are set on developing a ballistic missile force and it doesn't matter what the united states and china say. >> mr. cha, do yo...

>> these are very clearly defensive measures we're taking in response to an increasingly worrying, concerning threat from north korea. china understands that threat. >> joining me now, former montana senator, max baucus, a democrat who served as u.s. ambassador to china under president obama. ambassador, thank you for joining me. let's get right into this threat of north korea and what is going on right now. foreignpolicy.com had a sobering read over the weekend that said, north korea is not testing their missiles and their missile capability, they are practicing it. what sort of threat is nor...

Rapid idly escalating risks. the issue is at the forefront of secretary of state rex tillerson's trip to south korea, japan and china this week. it comes as north korea calls last weekend's launch of four missiles a trial run for an attack on u.s. military bases in japan. joining me now, former new mexico governor bill richardson. he served as the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. and is the energy secretary during the clinton administration. great to have you with me and you've experienced negotiating with north korea dating back to the '90s. what is the current threat to the u.s. bases in japan? h...

Aggression from north korea but what the china is also aimed at checking them. we're in an active situation where there's tension on the north korea peninsula and donald trump is in business with the chinese government. how can that stand? >> again, in a real world it wouldn't. you have a situation with north korea where there is the expanding missile capability. you have the problems in south korea. you have the issues of the connections with trump and his blunder with taiwan. you have these trademarks in china and these accusations about currency manipulation when the direction of the curren...

Missile that's some believe, they could be capable of striking the u.s. they have that capability. playing it in a way with the asian region, to destabilize the region. so pyongyang's program has been since the 1960s and '70s. the real threat is they would have a missile would carry a nuclear warhead. we know they've carried out five nuclear tests, two last year. we don't know so many things about those nuclear tests. we don't know, for example, whether they are atomic or hydrogen tests. all of those make a difference to what those, how capable north korea is. but the real fear, and i suppose ...