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Either freeze their nuclear weapons and missile program or get rid of it entirely? >> again, we don't hold a lot of cards here. the smart play is change negotiations. denuclearization talks are all about stages and sequences. they do something to materially restrict their nuclear missile programs, they get a benefit. then you move on to the next stage. but each stage has to be mutually verifiable and each stage has to move to the next level. so when you get into later stages, you can put a peace treaty on the table. you can start talking about sanctions release. but in the early stages, we sho...

Don't know what re-entry technology they've achieved. >> andrea mitchell, host of andrea mitchell reports weekdays at noon. remarkable time to be covering this stuff. i feel grateful to be your colleague with your depth of knowledge on this stuff. >> certainly mutual. thank you. i will say the last point andrea was making in terms of what the north koreans still have to prove with various tests and everything, i mean, it has been the dream of north korean leaders for decades now that they would advance their missile programs so much so that the united states would be forced to call them an e...

Weekdays at noon. remarkable time to be covering this stuff. i feel grateful to be your colleague with your depth of knowledge on this stuff. >> certainly mutual. thank you. i will say the last point andrea was making in terms of what the north koreans still have to prove with various tests and everything, i mean, it has been the dream of north korean leaders for decades now that they would advance their missile programs so much so that the united states would be forced to acknowledge them as an equal and to meet with the president one-on-one. they got there with this president. i don't know...

Collapse? >> well, north korea has very good rational reasons to keep its nuclear weapons. they help keep them safe, they complicate u.s. deterrence planning. >> it's what's gotten them to the table, if they didn't have this, why would we be discussing things like this on this level? >> right, we certainly wouldn't think of north korea as such a major threat to the united states. so really, kim jong-un thinks of his nuclear weapons for deterrence. you know, that's a valid perception. and he's not going to give them up easy. so really what we should be looking at for these talks is to start sma...

In this race you have the republican and the democrat basically saying they agree with the president's decision to levy those steel hatariffs. this is a race with a razor thin margin with both sides looking for clues on what it might mean if anything for the midterm elections. >> good points as usual, thank you so much, geoff benefit. the president is tweeting about his meeting with north korea, writing chinese president xi jinping told me he appreciates that the u.s. is working to solve the problem diplomatically rather than going with the ominous alternative. china continues to be helpful....