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It's not helping some greater cause of constitutional democracy or republic. it's about mitt romney. i think it's about mitt romney and ingratiating himself with all of the right people on the left. >> maybe you and i disagree in part because as a historian i think this is how revolutions occur. romney represents the old order. guess what? he just gave you an old order speech. that surprise anyone? >> laura: with a fake twitter account. he is attacking you, attacking other people and re-tweeting comments about you. he is a grown man. i supported him running for president in 2008. i supported h...

Evidence pointing to whether or not this idea among a lot of the liberals that we need to nominate somebody who's liberal in order to drive up our base, younger turn outs. we don't know if that's true. the numbers are pointing to real question mark right now. >> geoff, les go back to republicans. if you go back to the history, the president's relationships with romney and lindsey graham. they called him a fraud, a coop, unreliable and they changed their tune and sat side by side with the president. lindsey graham with the president almost in locked steps, suddenly things seemed to be turning s...

Holding wrongdoers accountable. we have seen not only with the whistleblower who you know, it is downright laughable, steph, when the president complains abouts t about the whistleblower, when the call providing assuming it is accurate with firsthand's information of the president's word where he said out the quid pro quo himself. to hear a president recklessly attacking the whistleblower being almost like a spy and you know what we used to do with spies? >> how about what the republican party should or will do in response of the president's comment. >> eugene, president trump says the gop nee...

He did not think the president should have made the phone call, but trying to find that middle ground. and i suspect there's a lot of republicans who'd like to get there but i wonder if the president is going to characterize his call as perfect and beyond reproach and if his public and his public defenders posture on this as regicide as you're hearing that, how tough does it make it for the portmans of the world to carve out that middle ground? >> what you're seeing there is really crazy talk. it's a lawful process outlined in the united states constitution, so this is not sedition, this is no...

President trump's conduct on the phone call with zelensky and also asking china to investigate the bidens, but what we don't have from mit romney or any of these other senators is a road map or even a criteria from how they would get from disgust to i want to impeach this guy. the white house in terms of their own private views, there's probably only four or five silent persuadable republican senators. you have no idea whether that's true or not, but what i do know from talking to lot of these senators over a long period of time, the idea there's 20 of them even close to being ready to impeach...