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Are in the unvaccinated. vaccinations make a difference. and it is interesting to me, phil. i keep hearing from the public this narrative around breakthrough infections. why did i bother getting vaccination. in the few cases that is existing, and again, existing more now than we saw before because of delta, these people are less sick. i am not seeing vaccinated people in the icu and certainly haven't seen a death due to someone vaccinated. so vaccinations are still critical, the most important tool in our tool box. >> one of the questions with vaccination levels where they are, where you are, ...

You know, kennedy. masks, eh, they really don't make a difference. rand paul. you have mandates, you get people sicker. none of that is true. or am i wrong? >> chris, we have certain ways that we're pretty sure, based upon the science and data, are going to help us out of this. one is vaccine. get more people vaccinated. it's safe and effective. the second is mitigation efforts. wash your hands. social distancing. and, yes, masks. when appropriate, in high-risk areas. and the third is testing, if you're sick. it's pretty straightforward. we've been down this road before. and the same public he...

And people came into the office to talk to me about their situation with a number of different perspectives. and i never ridiculed. i never made fun. i tried to understand their perspective. and then, talk through it, based upon facts and science and data. and so, that's how i'd respond to say that it's fairly clear, to me, where the science and data are pointing us. and again, vaccines, mitigation efforts, testing. and i think that's how i would respond to that. >> fda approval of this. now, you'll hear people say, you know, the work has really been done. we, already, know because of the emer...

Why rationalize illness when we have a way to better health? why would leaders, almost always from the right, say things that are demonstrably false about the science? let's take it to a better mind. the former-fda commissioner under trump, dr. steven hahn. you're not a politician, doc. i don't have you here to talk politics, but i do want to put you out there rebutting the message. desantis saying, you know, kids are good. if they had covid, they don't need masks. you know, kennedy. masks, eh, they really don't make a difference. rand paul. you have mandates, you get people sicker. none of th...

So my recommendation to people is talk to your doctor. find out what the science and data are. and follow that. >> now, when you talk to people and they say, you were in the trump administration. you know what they're trying to do. these guys on the left. they're trying to control us. they're trying to take away our freedoms. you know, they're -- they're telling us things, they're exaggerating. it's not even that bad, doc. and the vaccine doesn't even really work. and they just want to shut things down and have pandemic forever. what do you say? >> so chris, i was a cancer doctor, as you know....