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Road where we are today with north korea. we don't want it find ourselves in the same position. >> speaking of north korea, you talk about working with european allies. as you know, european allies are concerned about the steps president trump took on friday. i want to show what you the german foreign minister had to say, quote, my big concern is what happens in iran or in iran from the u.s. perspective. i guess the question there is as voiced by the german foreign minister, why should north korea believe anything that the united states has to say if the president has shown his willingness to ...

Deflect the question. so i way that this does is really sets the stage for this next chapter on the tillerson drama, where he saying, basically, saying even if he called him a moron, i kind of don't care that much about it. which i think is instructive because we learn from the interview today that to you take the way he framed it. that he is unconventional, he says unconventional things. so maybe by calling me a moron it somehow helps the diplomatic goals that i share with the president. okay. that is an interesting approach. it doesn't strike me as one that is conventional. but as we know, a...

In which case there are a bunch of officials he telling press and telling the president that you did. and that's a serious problem. or you did say it, and look, you're a serious guy. for to you say something like that subjects a real frustration with the commander-in-chief. so when you don't answer the question, it makes people think that you probably did say it. but either way, whatever happened, it is serious. so can you please clear it up? >> as i said, jake, i'm not playing. these are the games of washington. these are the destructive games of this town. they're not helpful to anyone. so m...

Without collapsing. >>? the idea was to decertify without destroying. keep the campaign promise that president made multiple times. to really satisfy this idea that president had seen the deal as a disaster. but also to keep america in the deal. which secretary of state and secretary of defense, thinks by and large was in america's national interest. the question is what comes next and with whom do you go to the next stage. how will the world see what the american actions really are? >> right. not only that we just heard tillerson say that, you know, this country, this president, wants to work...

Who are all now saying, we don't like the fact that the u.s. appears to be trying to make changes. >> that's the question. the world has seen this. and i think the real question he to me is whether by finding this way to decertify without destroying it, while you know, you can keep the deal in tact but is american credibility in tact. because domestically it makes sense and even talking with folks inside the united states military who are on the front lines of the war in syria, some of the fight in iraq, they will say that iran revolutionary guard is causing all kind of problems. that iran is ...