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Pony show. >> they are going to cut lose many of them. they will be very low plea deals offered. my guess the great majority of them. >> whatever happens these guys have been around the block. >> mr. gotti? john? geraldo rivera. >> i don't want to talk, all right? >> really? >> it's a free sidewalk, rights? >> will these recent arrests make a real difference in the long run? >> didn't matter. didn't mean anything. when i was broke i would go out and rob some more. we ran everything. paid off tops. paid off lawyers. we paid off judges. everybody had their hands out. everything was for the takin...

>> be it atten an ho >> my far is the last of the mow heek cans. >> continuing about the big mob bust in new york. congressman michael grin, jeffery lickman going to hear from him right now and michael francazi. first of all are these big busts? >> i don't think it is. they are big in terms of numbers. when you look at the indictments and i will give an example the eastern district of new york indictment. there is one murder charge from 1991. the rest of it is gambling, extortion. nobody will be going to jail long at all except for the top guy. this idea they were destroying the mafia it's not...

>> my far is the last of the mow heek cans. >> continuing about the big mob bust in new york. congressman michael grin, jeffery lickman going to hear from him right now and michael francazi. first of all are these big busts? >> i don't think it is. they are big in terms of numbers. when you look at the indictments and i will give an example the eastern district of new york indictment. there is one murder charge from 1991. the rest of it is gambling, extortion. nobody will be going to jail long at all except for the top guy. this idea they were destroying the mafia it's not true because they ar...

>> my far is the last of the mow heek cans. >> continuing about the big mob bust in new york. congressman michael grin, jeffery lickman going to hear from him right now and michael francazi. first of all are these big busts? >> i don't think it is. they are big in terms of numbers. when you look at the indictments and i will give an example the eastern district of new york indictment. there is one murder charge from 1991. the rest of it is gambling, extortion. nobody will be going to jail long at all except for the top guy. this idea they were destroying the mafia it's not true because they ar...

I mean devastated. including my own. dad going away 30-some odd years. got another eight years at 94 years old. mother without a husband all these years. my brother is in the witness protection program, testified against my dad. two sisters that died at a young age. it is devastating to the families. it is a horrible life in that regard. >> the people who are charged now, these are allegations. are these people, in your view, who got sloppy? >> well, you know, it could be. i mean, it is easy to get sloppy because -- everything is all around you. like i said, you don't know where it is coming f...