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So let's talk about your reporting, that one of the president's long time legal advisers jay goldberg warning him about michael cohen, that he could flip. what else could you tell us about that warning? >> basically he said that in his long experience as a criminal defense attorney and a prosecutor that essentially someone can say, you know, i'm going to stand by you, i'm never going to crack. but when a family man like michael cohen and he's facing the prospect of criminal charges, time in jail, he's got kids at home, that he's almost certainly as jay goldberg says is going to flip and turn o...

Members of the judiciary committee to oppose jeff sessions as attorney general. i voted against him. and i've differed with him repeatedly on policies. he did the right thing by recusing himself, there is no question about it. for don mcgahn to try to talk him out of it i think was really a mistake. >> it's also stunning the example for the president to use of the kind of attorney general he wants being roy cohn, if memory serves me was disbarred ultimately towards the end of his career. >> he was disbarred for a very good reason. he represented certain mob figures. he was donald trump's perso...

But what's striking also is the president's fundamental misunderstanding of the role of attorney general. >> yeah. >> he wants someone to protect him. a roy kohn, a fixer, a henchman. that is certainly far from what the attorney general of the united states should be. and i'll be very blunt, anderson, i was one of the first members of the judiciary committee to oppose jeff sessions as attorney general. i voted against him. and i've differed with him repeatedly on policies. he did the right thing by recusing himself, there is no question about it. for don mcgahn to try to talk him out of it i t...

Said mob figures tried that before, having a lawyer sitting there like a potted plant it doesn't work. >> his position so far has always been that somehow there have been negotiations that prevented him from having to go in front of the cameras. i think the white house and his lawyers will do everything they can to keep the cameras on him. i agree all of this is going to come out eventually. the scope of mueller's investigation is broader than the matter of collusion as well. the point we have to get to the bottom of and this should be nonpartisan. is to what extent did the country of russia i...

We have to see, i understand you are hopeful as well. this is real, this is not a myth. this is not conjecture. this is about democracy and a sake receipt process that was hampered by the russians. how far and when did these people engage in this communication. >> do you see donald trump plead back. most analysts say mob figures have tried that before to have an attorney sited in a room as a potted plant, but it doesn't really work. >> all of the -- his positions have been that somehow there have been negotiations, that have prevented him from ever having to go in front of the cameras, i think...