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It gets. >> yes, but maybe even lower was when trump posted an article in front of himself holding a baseball bat, next to a voter of manhattan da, all the brine. how alum should we be about that? >> -- that's what i be brought regardless oxidation. if he is tried to set a very obvious message. and the prosecutor who goes back me, donald trump, i want the baseball bat taken after you. i want -- he's employ to surround the kernels attack people who are involved in these trials. this is mob rule, this is not american democracy. we have now gone from presidential history, into the history of viol...

Investigation well, hold on before we get there. let me just ask. i just wanna ask you, john about that. what you were just saying about the barricades around the d a s office. do you think that former president trump has implied that violence would be acceptable when he says, take back our country. well, i can't get into his head , but i'm concerned that people could interpret something that way and that's something which i mean, we heard there was a bomb threat today yesterday and the security is necessary, but we just have to all stand up for whether we agree or disagree with what's going o...

And the idea was to show support for the cops. he didn't know he was gonna attend a "racist" rally. [chatter, crowd commotion] - we were standing there looking out through the bars. jimmy breslin got roughed up. he was the columnist. una clark was a city councilman. some people in this mob tried to block her from walking to city hall and they said, "who are you?" and she said, "i'm a city council woman," and they said, "this nigger says she's a city council woman." - "do you believe that n is a council member?" so i just told them, i said, "i'm a jamaican, and there are no ns where i come from...

It would look and sound like this group of people. - there was a real sense of mob rule. but on the inside, there was a sense of, "let's just hold the building." - i was ready to knock them out the street, you know, with my small hands. i was not letting those big bully guys intimidate me at all. - they were a drunken disorderly mob of armed men who besieged city hall. it was one of those moments where the democracy had pretty much unraveled. - the mayor doesn't know why the morale of the new york city police department is so low. - rudy claims that he tried to drive them all to speaking platf...

Retaliation, do you think that that is true? >> i think, regardless what he does, and what are his reasons, that's -- a lot of frustration. speaker pelosi done was unprecedented last congress. but i think we have to respect the rule of law and property process. i think speaker mccarthy needs to go to the ethics committee, make his case. and the other side should have an ability to defend themselves. to all this had presumption of innocence on rule of -- law we are not going to be -for-tat and mob rule. if that is what the other side are doing, we will then be also hypocrites saying that we are...